tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558712462088910728.post4898470837290399078..comments2023-02-22T01:10:31.119-08:00Comments on Being Queer and Coptic: Exodus Exits: I'm Queer and I'm Not CelebratingJust A Dudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607094231556874706noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558712462088910728.post-49239275585546980542014-03-12T02:58:42.722-07:002014-03-12T02:58:42.722-07:00This is the only sane commentary I've heard si...This is the only sane commentary I've heard since the big announcement from Exodus. A credit to you that you wrote it, a gross shame that one has to wade through so much gay hate and bigotry to discover it at this relatively obscure page. <br /><br />The fact is that there's no sense of moderation, balance or self-control in most of gaydom when it comes to "issues." The movement is more fascistic than the conservative world it calls Nazis. ISSUES ARE NEVER BLACK AND WHITE, but that's how they get treated by any movement ever identified with the political left.<br /><br />Gay liberation gained traction significantly by asserting that sexuality isn't all one thing or the other, but a vast spectrum of differing desires and orientations across humanity not to mention within individuals. Gay culture has long maintained that a great many straight people are in fact passionate gays waiting to happen (the depraved Police Academy movies ad inf.). Now we're ordered to believe that it only works one way, that no straights exist who genuinely need to be helped over unwanted gay feelings, that they can or should even do it if they want to. Any organization OR individual that seeks to help them is now an object of hatred and abuse or worse. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558712462088910728.post-4847997517524643332013-09-17T10:09:47.910-07:002013-09-17T10:09:47.910-07:00I hope that you can still live with what you want ...I hope that you can still live with what you want to change into, for you truly seem to love your neighbor, even if you do not love your self. You seem like a wonderful person, but I can't help but question what you thought was wrong in the first place. If you are a christian man, and believe in such teachings, then man was created in the image of God, which means -gay- men were also in that image. If you should reject that part of god within you then reject it, but It is not right, in my opinion, to alter God's creation.<br /><br />-Father MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558712462088910728.post-90178181366788923022013-06-23T19:13:30.880-07:002013-06-23T19:13:30.880-07:00Alex, thanks for such a well thought out and kind ...Alex, thanks for such a well thought out and kind response. I join you in celebrating progress, and take heart when we move, sometimes slowly, towards being better and more true. I have not yet arrived, and have taken my sweet time to get as little distance as I've gotten, how many lifetimes will it be until I'm complete?Just A Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607094231556874706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5558712462088910728.post-70888651616059674042013-06-23T06:56:29.747-07:002013-06-23T06:56:29.747-07:00Thanks for your sensitive and articulate post. Ch...Thanks for your sensitive and articulate post. Chambers has been under fire from both Christians who say he has not been vocal enough about their belief that homosexual behavior is sin, as well as from gay people who point to stories of deep harm done by Exodus’ former mantra that “change is possible.” As a Christian gay man who long ago integrated my rich Christian faith with my sexuality, I can well appreciate both sentiments. <br /><br />But what Chambers did this week took courage and will surely cost him dearly. He has readily acknowledged that he was wrong, that gay people do not become straight, and that for Exodus to have preached otherwise was not biblical. That is a major step forward and constitutes growth. <br /><br />But it’s true that he has not yet also reached a place where he can acknowledge that homosexuality per se is not sin. He doesn’t yet understand that when the few passages of Scripture that generally get appealed to in this debate are examined more closely and in context, the traditional antigay theology he has bought into does not hold up to scrutiny. Maybe he’ll get there one day; maybe he won’t. <br /><br />As you rightly said, “Exodus and its leaders have evolved to a more balanced and honest place.” If it takes them longer to move forward to an even more balanced place, to quote Sally Field, “so the fuck what?” It took many of us a whole lot of years to get there. It seems to me that Chambers and company should be extended the same grace. In the meantime we can celebrate the fact that they are growing. Minds and hearts are slow organs to change. <br /><br />-Alex Haiken<br />http://JewishChristianGay.wordpress.com<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com